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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:56 am 
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There is an effort afoot to kill the vehicular use of National Forest access roads. It is being done covertly, without public involvement or knowledge. Right now it is covering the western forest areas, but if it passes, the east will be next.

Please read and sign this petition, and keep our National Forests open to all users, not just the tree huggers. We need 50,000 signers to submit it, but if we had 100,000 it would have greater impact. Sign it now!

https://host593.ipowerweb.com/~access-a/backcountry_petition/


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:38 am 
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Is this being done in addition to the Access Designation Plan, or is this part of the Access Designation Plan?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:30 pm 
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In addition


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:23 pm 
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Then this may actually be illegal. There is a federal law (or executive order, not sure which) that says that public land cannot be closed to public use without public input from all user groups and that no user group can be excluded from using public land (or something to that effect).

Basically, the Access Designation Plan makes changes to forest use while complying with the law. This new effort doesn't seem to be following the law.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:29 pm 
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The attempt is a circumnavigation of the Access Plan. They are attempting to make it illegal to use the NFS roads for other than NFS vehicles, thereby cutting access to the land. But not actually forbidding use of the land. You could hunt deer on the land, but not use a vehicle to extract the deer if it meant driving on NFS roads to get to it. It would off course stop all ATV use on Federal lands, unless you had access direct to the trails from private land.

It is a side swipe at our Federal Land use rights.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:07 am 
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From the way it was explained to me, it's illegal to block any user group from using public land. Both OHV and street legal vehicle operators are part of their respective user groups. Hunters are a different user group whether or not they drive, ride, or walk to their hunting spot.

They can, however, regulate such use as much as they want by adding fees, limiting riding times, etc. But they must set aside a certain area or certain trails for the different types of activities. That's what the Access Designation Plan does.

Either way, this new thing looks to be illegal.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:14 am 
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This stuff is no joke...we have been dealing with several environmental groups, basically headed up by Trout Unlimited in our area that want to close access to the park to off road vehicles. These groups have lots of disposable cash to lobby and sneak in bills that will ultimately keep you off public lands unless you want to walk. We have been assisting the Southern Four Wheel Drive Association, United and Blue Ribbon with raising money to fight these actions. The Forest Service does not have the money to get involved in a lot of law suits so they are Knee Jerking to all of the Enviro-Terrorist groups out there that are threatening to take them to court. SFWDA maintains, donates equipment and provides free labor to the Tellico OHV park which is estimated at approx. $100,000 per year. The Forest Service gets a letter from a lawyer from Trout Unlimited and they immediately start a full winter closure and then decide to leave some popular trails closed until they can evaluate the situation. So, now the Forest Service has turned their friends against them. SFWDA, United and Blue Ribbon has started a Rescue Tellico Fund for legal action. This action will start a chain reaction with the Forest Service, which again they can't afford to be tied up in legal action...they just don't have the budget for it. Also the information is out there that these enviro-groups are using Tellico as a test case to see how far they can push. Please contact us at www.crawfordsattellico.com or www.sfwda.org if you would like to get involved in a fund raiser here or would like to donate to the cause.
Here is another bit of information for you as well. There has been legislation introduced trying to classify off road tires as Dredge and Fill equipment, which will require a special permit and/or will not be allowed on Government Lands. How do you like that for Sneaky!


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:17 pm 
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The federal government is just trying to position itself to charge us for the right to pass upon our lands. I recently rode some outlined trails in the Ocala forest in Fl. and was charged $10.00 apeice for a 1 to 3 day pass. Although the trails were very dry and dusty they were marked to profection and you couldn't get lost because of it. Most people ride for an afternoon and can't take advantage of a full 3 day pass so I feel that a 1 day pass of $5.00 would be fair. They maintain the trails through the week and they are kept in very good condition. They provide maps to take with you and also have large maps at major trailheads along with toilets and a $6.00 a night camp ground that you can ride directly to the trails from your site. All in all a great concept and worth the charge. There are many fine trails here in Fl. provided by the state and national forest systems but sadly not enough. You must know by now that most elected officials are lawyers that can't make it in the outside world because they have no concept of good business. Its almost like they would rather have us spend our vacation money out side this country instead of staying home and enjoying and using our natural resources.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:25 pm 
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Sounds like you rode in the Lake Delancy campground area.


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